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Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

carolina36 — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:34:13 -0000

You are incorrect. Who are you to determine how grief stricken someone is to read such articles on their family members. They read for the most part because the story may not be accurate and may miss that little something that may be key factors so the family wants to set the record straight and read what is written. Why is that such a hard thing to realize (to take in consideration of the family's feelings when posting things)?

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

carolina36 — Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:38:11 -0000

Although your comment to me does not warrant a response, you make no sense! Unless you go back and read all of the posts then you may know how this thread was initiated. You have no clue of what you are speaking about. I can tell that you did not read the other 76 comments that lead up to mine. It was nothing more than to ask that people not disrespect the family, their beliefs, nor this child that was all. My comment was a single piece of a larger puzzle here. If you or anyone else would like to turn that into something more, than do so with someone else. I welcome you to take that up with another higher being way beyond yourself. To this I end.

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NikodemusDeGuise — Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:12:17 -0000

Carolina, I believe that any who offer dissenting opinions here are asking the faithful to do nothing more than "just think about it". Furthermore, do you really think you are in a position to say what most families who have lost loved ones do in regards to reading the online threads beneath the articles posting notice of their family member's death? How could you possibly know more than half of all cases of this nature intimately enough to declare what "most" do? Just another fallacy (Hasty Generalization) brought to you by the kids at school house rock. Learning is good cause knowledge is power.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

SteveSchlicht — Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:32:59 -0000

Many deal with tragedy in unique and personal ways, children as well.

Not all cope within our preconceived notions of how it should be done properly, some may appear angry, some unintentionally insensitive as a way to deal with their own fears, some may become inattentive and aloof or lash out at those they want to make enemies...where there really are none.

All are natural and normal expressions as a way to deal with loss, grief and despair.

I am also very proud of how so many of these young people are dealing with the loss of their friend, one of their own.

When an adult close to them dies unexpectedly or in such a way that is simply unfathomable and completely unexplainable in any way...a parent, a teacher, a familiar neighbor...it is one thing.

It is truly another to face the reality of another child, a peer, a fellow immortal actually passing away.

Truth is, our common humanity and the warmth of others will provide strength and the knowledge that while the scars of such tragedies will always remain with us...it is how our loved ones lived, and not how they died, that will not only allow us to survive dark days and merely cope...they will drive us, in every moment, to prevail.

In a very special way Jeremy has taught these friends and fellow students the most important lesson of all…be the best person you can be in this life, love one another unconditionally and cherish all the time that you have here on this wonderful shooting star.

Peace

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

PastorBrown — Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:37:35 -0000

Pastor
I am so sorry for the loss of your son, I want you to know that I know that folks make comments and say they understand and that are hurting with you and I don't take any of that away, But really no one knows what you and your family is going through until they have walked in your shoes. One year ago my grandson was ran over by the same kind of wagon and event, We still have him yet he suffered a stroke the left side of his face still has no movement, God has certainly carried us when we were at our lowest. I really don't have words that will change what has happened to you and your family, I can just say I will pray for you that God will supply the grace as it is needed. From one Pastor to Another Pastor
Calvin

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

carolina36 — Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:14:20 -0000

Thanks for the information. Also, the children at Biloxi Junior High are taking donations. If anyone has a child who attends and may wish to participate; they too can donate as well. Donations can be given directly to the Student Council and/or Ms. Caillavet.

It amazes me how some of these children who went to school with Jeremy are helping and consoling each other. I have seen for the most part, a group of children with compassion and love in their hearts. Those children I am so proud of. There have been a few that I am dissappointed in, but I cannot let their ignorance overshadow the dedication and kindness that others have shown and displayed for their fellow schoolmate.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

jordsmom — Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:48:21 -0000

First let me say I am so sorry for what ever has happened in your life to turn you so bitter and against God. I give credit where credit is due, God gave that firefighter the brain he has to be able to learn what he needed to learn to help my son, and I have and always will thank God fr what he has done in Jordan's life and I have thanked and will always thank the firefighter for what he did for Jordan. As far as the doctors go they missed Jordans crushed main artery and he had a stroke, guess who healed that artery... God did, when we were asked what procedure was done in the hospital to fix his artery we had to say there wasn't one! Even Jordans doctors have said he is a walking miracle ( I bet that really makes you mad)! Yes Jordan is a tbi and he has had a stroke and yes We are thankful to a merciful God that has allowed us to keep him instead of burring him! We believe God will use Jordan one day, but until then we are very thankful for his blessings we see everyday as we watch Jordan walk, talk, see with perfect vision, he is also back in school in regular classes full time, yes he does have a long way to go to be our old Jordan, but we love the new one just as much and he is enjoying life and we are enjoying it with him! You are missing out on so much with all the doubt you have. I will not even comment to the other post, I won't pretend to know all the answer or why God allows one boy to live and one has to die but I do know that he is faithful and just and he will get us throughout it. And he will get this other family through what they are facing, they will have pain but he will still be faithful. And again aim so sorry for whatever got you to this point in your life that you would attack someone that has and is going through such things just so you can argue a crazy point you think you have!

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

NikodemusDeGuise — Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:25:36 -0000

Give credit where credit is due. God cannot "use" people to such a degree that God is given responsibility for what those people choose to do. That would violate free will. To say that God is willing to control a firefighter to save a little boy, but God WILL NOT control a rapist to prevent his wicked act and this save the innocent girl involved, is to desscribe a very contradictory notion of God. The very existence of rape, murder, spousal abuse, child molestation and genocide proves that God is not willing to override free will to prevent suffering, so how van you ever make the claim that God is responsible for the choices of people simply because those choices produced a positive outcome for you? If a fire fighter was integral in saving your boy's life, thank that fire fighter. Don't disrespect him by calling it a miracle. It required hard work, courage and a determination that came from his own human volition. Not from God.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

NikodemusDeGuise — Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:19:10 -0000

To say things like "but God allowed us to keep our boy" directly necessitates that God made no such allowance in this case and is thus directly responsible for his death. Why is it easier to attribute your son's condition to God than to the specific characteristics of his injury coupled with the efforts of the medical professionals who treated him? Which part of that equation did God control? The free willed choices of the doctors and nurses and of your son prior to the accident? Did God adjust the laws of nature to ensure that your son's fall would only leave him brain damaged but not dead? What kind o perverse God would do such a thing?

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

NikodemusDeGuise — Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:13:54 -0000

Shortpastor, if this isn't the time to discuss it, stop
coming to this thread. You posting here, but saying this isn't the time to dicuss things is patently hypocritical. Make up your mind, else you betray a desire to avoid the issue placed before you.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

NikodemusDeGuise — Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:07:10 -0000

"perhaps it is because you are communicating electronically that makes you feel detached from reality". Is it this detachment that allowed you to wish the death of a family member upon someone because they don't share your values? Your behavior is shameful. You wished suffering upon another person. How callous and diaconnected from the real world can that be? All of your objections were made before I started reading this thread, so just how "people like you" applies to me is a matter you'd have to clarify. I have lost loved ones in just such tragedies. I didn't take time to read online threads about the article announcing her death. I spent time with my family and close friends. I comforted those who were suffering in the real world. What are you doing but getting all bent out of shame about an online thread. This medium of communication is only as important as you make it. I would much rather dissenting opinions be posted online than have people like the Westboro Baptist Church protest the funerals of fallen soldiers. This is a public forum where ideas can be exchanged without the threat of violence from unreasonable parties. In your statement, "there are alot of people here I'd like to meet in person..." I see just such violent intentions. You'd like to beat some respect into them, wouldn't you?

"and they will know we are Christians by out love".
And sometimes we will know their insincerity by their hate.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

NikodemusDeGuise — Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:54:45 -0000

Pretty sure that no one in this conversation has researched this issue widely enough to say what "most" families do in regards to reading the online threads of the local articles announcing the death of a loved one. When does this ever become a priority? The only case I can speak from experience involved the tragic death of my mother-in-law, and all her children were so grief stricken they didn't open a newspaper for weeks. I can't imagine anyone giving a damn what strangers on the Internet say when they have just lost a child, a sibling, a spouse or parent.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

SteveSchlicht — Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:25:25 -0000

For all those folks interested in expressions of personal condolences and heartfelt support for the Kirby family during this time:

http://www.riemannfamily.com/o...

"In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to a Trust Fund in Jeremy's memory at any BancorpSouth."

Be strong, be good, live life to the fullest and take care of each other.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

SteveSchlicht — Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:07:54 -0000

It is an extremely flawed presumption to assert that others haven't already experienced horrible tragic events, SaltyDog.

Hoping for them upon others you disagree with...far worse.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

SteveSchlicht — Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:34:00 -0000

It is a "tangent" within the context of many other tangents, to include issues of public safety, found within the complete thread for those with time to read through it all.

The issue has now *also* become one of examining the claim that any disrespect has been shown to the family at all or that the Sun Herald discussion forum is somehow not subject to discussing related topics.

Again, if this were a private messaging service crafted for only one purpose, you and SP might have a valid point...but this isn't, so there's no need for folks to limit their perspectives, views or tangents open to exploration here as long as everyone is civil and freely chooses to participate.

My view, as stated, is that this isn't a resource limited strictly to moral support or promoting one perspective and one perspective only.

Additionally, most posts are reflective of everyone's sincere empathy with the family and our hearts are with them.

We are all human beings, after all.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

jordsmom — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 16:04:57 -0000

Carolina36 thank you for your kind words, but there is a difference in my experience and that of Jeremy's family. God allowed us to keep Jordan. We now have a 4 year old in a 15 year olds body mentally, but we are so thankful to still have him. I could not nor would I want to imagine what Jeremy's family is going through and we are praying for them. I have also put the story on my fb and know that I have friends praying for this family. We will add the children that went to school with Jeremy to our prayer list. I know the kids that were with Jordan the night of his accident really went through a hard time. My best advice to you is make sure these kids see a counselor or therapist to talk don't let them hold it in. Even if they say they are fine try everything you can to get them talking, if they hold it in it won't be good for them. Prayers are with this family and the community!

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

BiloxiMsGuy — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:31:36 -0000

Such a tragic event...Prayers are being said to lift this Family up. It's hard to even imagine something like this happening. Praying for everyone involved and touched by this horrible accident. Pray for closure.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

carolina36 — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:23:33 -0000

I hardly think the mention of showing a little respect for the family's beliefs while disagreeing amongst yourselves was a "tangent". It is a mere fact and I do not care if you believe in God or not. No written essay can convince me that this is the proper page (story/place/whatever you choose to call it) to have that debate. Nor is the theory that the family will not be reading these things. The majority of the time they do. It may not be today, but they do reflect back. I've seen it too many times over the last year and a half on here. That my friend is indeed a fact. Just saying.......please just think about it that's all nothing more or less .

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

SteveSchlicht — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:45:21 -0000

"Also let us not forget his school mates who are also reading online about Jeremy. They too are grieving. My child goes to school with this young boy and is having a terrible time trying to figure out why this happened."

As is my daughter, carolina36, and we all have our family traditions and personal ways to cope.

It is why I find SaltyDog's recent posts a double edged sword.

They are personally hurtful to us as a family, but necessary as an expression of his feelings as well, and we would not deny him that outlet.

As for the tangent of the family's belief systems and ways to cope, I'm confident most people posting are keeping that in mind with the understanding that the family probably has so much more important things to do than check in to the SH online discussion forum for their ultimate source of moral support.

I think the best way to explain some of those posts to you is..."hating the sin, not the sinner" the equivalent of "debating the faith, not the sincerity of the faithful".

This may be the most accurate way to clarify those posts that have emerged addressing theological concerns/tangents and apologetics.

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Valhalla2 — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:38:33 -0000

Am I one of em cause I would like to meet you. Give me a holler an we'll git er done.

The problem with yor request is that its open ended an sanctimonious. If not now then when is the right time to discuss this here? After this story stops runnin cause its already a couple a days old.

I also agree with the poster who said that any of the family members who are spending their time here reading these comments has their priorities really messed up. IMHO

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

SteveSchlicht — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:18:02 -0000

I am presenting my views as a husband, father of three children and a human being, SaltyDog.

Our family knows precisely what it means and feels like to experience the horror of personal loss, the depths to which our hearts and minds can fall and the benevolent touch of friends and family who raise us back up.

I am not forcing my views on anyone and have certainly not posted anything negative or disrespectful.

You are certainly free to continue to do so, however, and we can then determine what is accurate and what is not.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

SteveSchlicht — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:08:03 -0000

Please refer me to which of my posts you found offensive, SaltyDog, or where I was uncaring or disrespectful.

I assure you that I am honestly heartbroken and my daughter was in tears when she heard the news, so I find it odd that you would want to mischaracterize anything I've offered as some sort of pretense laden personal attack on this good family...when nothing could be further from the truth.

All of us here are on equal terms when it comes to our expressions and, so far, the only one that has been presented to specifically attack anyone personally has been your own.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

carolina36 — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:05:24 -0000

I think everyone needs to keep in mind the family and friends of this young boy. We should also acknowledge and respect the parents beliefs in God and that truly this is not the page or day to get into debate over that. Go to the sound off page and hash it out there. I for one cannot imagine what the family is thinking reading some of these responses of people going back and forth. Also let us not forget his school mates who are also reading online about Jeremy. They too are grieving. My child goes to school with this young boy and is having a terrible time trying to figure out why this happened.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

SteveSchlicht — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:02:24 -0000

I understand the intent of your post, SP, and this is still the correct and open venue to discuss all facets of this tragedy to include honest expressions of condolences, which most everyone has done.

The fact of the matter is that none of the comments seem intentionally uncivil, malevolent or insulting, in my view, and I would certainly stand by all of the heartfelt sentiments I offered here should you and I once again meet face to face during such times of our own personal loss and despair.

It would be different if there were some sort of the Rev. Fred Phelp's family approach found in a post or two here, but just generally taking up the banner of trying to moderate the Sun Herald discussion forum because some folks want to address public safety or religious nuances seems overly micro-managing.

This is a diverse community we live in and I think that most people participating here all understand and empathize with the family...and really wish that none of it ever happened.

You know most of my life history, the many similar personal losses and the level of my own sincerity, SP, so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this point...and find our own ways to cope and show our compassion.

Re: Child dies on festival hay ride

ppavack — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:40:56 -0000

My prayers go out to the many families that have been injured or died on hay rides. parents just need to keep a better eye on their children and the driver needs to be more responsible. What about shcool buses, NO seat belts. We could go on and on with accidents like this, but the kids are on buses every day.. Again my prayers go out to this family.